Episode 15

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23rd Aug 2024

15 | Affirming Neurodivergent Experiences with Amanda Morin

In this episode of 'The Princess and the Pea Podcast,' host Annie Crowe re-introduces Amanda Morin (back from season 1!), a neurodiversity and educational consultant and author of the forthcoming book, 'Neurodiversity Affirming Schools.'

Together, they discuss the complexities of proving neurodivergence and the importance of creating inclusive environments. They also explore the 'double empathy problem,' emphasising the need for mutual understanding between neurodivergent and neuronormative perspectives.

The conversation underscores the critical role of empathy, curiosity, and validation in supporting neurodivergent individuals.

00:32 Welcome to Princess and the Pea Podcast

02:15 Meet Amanda Morin

04:20 The Absurdity of Proving Neurodivergence

06:58 Challenges in Diagnosis and Advocacy

14:43 The Importance of Self-Advocacy and Access Needs

27:29 Navigating Empathy and Discomfort

28:44 Understanding the Double Empathy Problem

29:32 Communication Challenges Between Neurotypes

33:32 The Burden of Education and Burnout

37:10 Creating Neurodiversity Affirming Environments

42:11 Sensory Overload and Its Impact

47:26 The Double Empathy Solution

53:54 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Pre-order book! "Neurodiversity-Affirming Schools: Transforming Practices so All Students Feel Accepted and Supported" from Free Spirit Publishing here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D81QWSX8/

Connect with Amanda:

https://www.amandamorin.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandamorin/

https://www.instagram.com/amandarmorin

https://www.threads.net/@amandarmorin

https://www.facebook.com/AmandaMorinTeaches

https://learningforward.org/journal/reaching-all-learners/is-your-school-welcoming-to-neurodiverse-students/

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About the Podcast

Princess and the Pea Podcast
Breaking Barriers and Building Futures for Neurodivergence
This podcast celebrates the unique ways neurodivergent people experience the world. Each episode is packed with insights, stories, and strategies to help you navigate life as an Autistic, ADHD, 2e, or other neurodivergent individual. Whether you're neurodivergent or an ally, this podcast is your guide to fostering true inclusion and belonging.

About your host

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Annie Crowe

Annie Crowe is a human rights lawyer and proud Autistic ADHD PDA 2e Disabled Spoonie.

In 2022, Annie founded NeuroAccess after a decade of practicing private and public law working for the Australian Government. She left her traditional employment in legal practice and public policy to focus on her community and improving the lives of neurodivergent people everywhere. Annie she speaks at national and international conferences, consults and trains professionals on neuroaccessibility, and coaches neurodivergent adults and families to build neuroaccessible lives and advocate for themselves in the many systems (health, employment, education) that too often misunderstand neuroaccess needs.

Annie is now a globally recognised voice and award-winning thought leader with her first book 'Neuroaccessibility: A Practical Guide to Building Accessibility for People Who Think Differently,' coming out in Nov 2023.

In May 2022, Annie launched this podcast and simultaneously founded not-for-profit EDNA (Eating Disorders Neurodiversity Australia) where she stepped down as CEO in Jan 2023 partially due to health reasons but mostly due to having successfully achieved her main goal of influencing the first Australian Eating Disorder Strategy (released Aug 2023). Annie continues to consult with the National Eating Disorder Collaboration (NEDC) to ensure eating disorder treatment and prevention acknowledges neurodivergent people and meets our access needs.

If you or your organisation are interested in working with Annie and the NeuroAccess team please contact us at info@anniecrowe.com.au